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David J, YOU ALL KNOW WHO DAVID J IS. Will be releasing a spoken word album called “The Mother Tree” alongside a poetry book containing all the poems on the album, called “Rhapsody, Threnody & Prayer” on June 6th. Having listened to the album (A lot by the time of this interview) and read the poems, I got to do a deep dive with David over the subjects.

Jeremy: Well, David, thank you for joining us.

David J: Thank you, Jeremy.

Jeremy: I want to say, I love the new Night Crickets album. I’ve been talking to Darwin and heard Victor is out for a bit, but we’re still hoping to cover that one too. I had such a great time with the three of you last time we spoke. But this new record—it’s something special. I have so many thoughts. Where do I even start? What made you decide to go this route—spoken word with music—and put everything out there the way you did?

David J: I’ve always had an interest in combining spoken word with music. It goes back to my very first solo record in ’83, Etiquette of Violence. There’s a spoken word track on there called “Within the Indians Permanent” about Jack Kerouac. That format has appeared on several albums since—though not on everyone—but it’s always been something I’ve gravitated toward. I had the idea of doing a full album of spoken word pieces, but I wasn’t sure how to approach it musically. Whether I’d do it all myself via multi-tracking or bring in musicians. Then I happened to see this band called Rakia playing at a tiny place in downtown LA. I went to see a friend, Nora Keyes, and she played right before them. I was about to leave but decided to finish my drink and catch one song. I ended up staying for the whole set. Their instrumental sound just struck me—it clicked. I thought This is the sound I need for that spoken word project I’ve been holding onto. So I approached them, and within days we were in the studio.

Jeremy: Was what they played that night similar to what we hear on the record?

David J: Yes, that was their sound—though they’re no longer active as a band. I still work with John Bernstein, their piano and keyboard player. We’re heading to Santa Rosa tonight for a gig and then playing the Great American Music Hall on Sunday, Darwin from Night Crickets is joining me.

JH: Darwin’s kind of your right-hand man these days, isn’t he?

David J: Yeah, he’s been managing me for a while now. He’s terrific.

JH: When I started listening to this new record, I immediately thought, David J sounds like a cross between David Gilmour and Roger Waters. You’ve always had that duality in your voice—able to sing with either warmth or edge. But hearing you simply speak these poems… it hit differently. It reminded me of “Mr. Moonlight” in some ways, but deeper. More emotional. More intense.

David J: I did all of those tracks live in the studio with the band. No overdubs. I sent the poems to them and gave them creative freedom to respond however they felt was right. I didn’t even listen to the compositions until right before we recorded. Most of what you hear are first or second takes. Very spontaneous. We were reacting to each other in real-time.

Jeremy: Was it emotionally intense to hear your poems brought to life like that?

David J: Absolutely, especially with the poem “Mother Tree.” That one is deeply personal—it spans all of Side A and is about my mother. I wrote most of it after she died and finished it after receiving her ashes. There’s a moment in the poem where I describe letting them go. That’s when I knew it was finished. Recording it was extremely moving. I felt her presence in the room. It was like a communion with her. We did just one take, and you can hear the emotion in my voice.

JH: David Sedaris, the comic writer, wrote about how his mom was always smoking He said, “I could never imagine my mom smoking as I couldn’t imagine her not breathing. She, she smoked up until the day she died”, these are marvelous tributes that you guys are giving to your mother’s.

David J: Like this. And of course, it’s essential when you’re a kid, you are attuned to that sensuality, it’s formative and it’s very emotionally impacting.

JH: I’m just going to quote a couple of some lines here, right where, because I could feel this because I’d heard it from so many other people as well.

The blades cleave

Over the rink

Outside, the Luftwaffe

Delivers a rain of Hellish destruction

High explosive bombs

Incendiary bombs

Oil bombs

All come crashing down

On Birmingham

The Second City

Place of the defiant girl’s birth

When the air raid siren sounded

Everyone in the ice hall

Fled for the shelters

Everyone apart from the lady in white

She, choosing to stand her ground

And skate on

In defiance of Hitler’s ire

David J: True story. I visualized all of it, she told me that story and it was very moving, and it just made me adore her.

JH: But you’re talking about the clothes she was wearing and the blades of the ice skate. I mean, these are details that made the story so tangible.

David J: And there’s, there’s purposely a foreshadowing of that when in the first, like the first verse of this piece, and I talk about going to the, the forest with my friend cook, who’s like this shaman, local shaman character. And he wants to take me to the forest to show me this mother tree, this incredible tree and I was in the middle of winter and these, I’m in my big boots I can’t get over the fact that he’s just like impervious to this real cold on the East Coast in the middle of winter. It starts with his foot falling on the ice and snow, you know, and then there’s sort of like a cinematic foreshadowing of my mum’s boot falling on the ice rink and then I give that the brave girl was my mother, and this was her act of defiance alone that this for and for this act of defiance, she’ll always have my heart.

JH: I felt very similar when I was living in France and also in the Netherlands when I met these old guys who had been in the resistance, you know, and they were telling me these stories about being in the resistance, fighting the Germans, sacrificing a lot. I met one woman who said I couldn’t tell the public that I was working for the resistance, and I went and slept with these German soldiers to get information from them. I learning about the resistance fighters or just anyone. I developed the same respect for your mother because of how you told that story. Probably the hardest line for me in this Oh, there were a lot where you talked about your dead brother, I guess your mother had a miscarriage, you talked about him and would he have been the guy to protect me from bullies.

David J: Yeah, yeah, My mom, she had bad stomach pains and went to the doctor and he prescribed this medication and she, she didn’t realize she was pregnant at that time, but the better. That’s what killed the embryo. And then the irony of ironies went much many years later when immigrated to Australia. They had to see a doctor to sign off on certain forms, and it was that same doctor.

JH: When you said the line about this letter sent first class expedited still was beat by four days.

DJ: The letter to my mom and, it was a dried leaf that I’d picked from the park near where I was living.

JH: I’m sitting here listening to and reading this and I’m just having such great visuals, thinking to him all these things out of sequence. This was great about your, mom.

David J:This part really sucked, This hurts mom, I miss you, you know, all of this just wove in and out there, I loved it. I mean the abiding feeling I know is love for her.

JH: It’s like right after that the Love and Rockets show that I covered for you guys in Salt Lake, my wife’s mother was in a wheelchair and the wheelchair rolled and she broke her shoulder and that just caused everything to cascade and get worse and she passed away a month later.

DJ: I’m. Sorry.

JH: I was the one who found her and I had to walk back to my house and tell my wife after I told her father, she’s passed, that was probably the hardest thing I ever had to say to somebody that I loved. I want to give this one to my wife and let her hear it. I hope that it can help her. I think my wife would get a lot out of it so I’ll pass this on.

David J: That would be wonderful.

JH: I’ve always wanted to ask you this, what was the song Rainbird about? It was one of the coolest songs on that record. It felt just enough out of place, but it felt like you were walking in a wet, muddy construction yard out there somewhere between 2 buildings.

David J: It was about Daniel Ash, Daniel, has always tended to get comfy about commitment to projects, to tours, to doing albums. And he didn’t want to make “Earth + Sun + Moon”, he didn’t want to tour. He was thinking about leaving the band and then he was like humming and hawing. And then he did want to do it then he didn’t want to do it and he finally did it. Of course. During that time, I wrote that song, and I didn’t tell him that it was about him till after we recorded it.

JH: And how did he respond on that one?

David J: He used an expletive.

JH: I think you and Daniel, at least musically, hefted so many of the same duties right as vocals. You would switch off. I remember when we’re talking about when just that came up the night crickets interview and you talked about how you and Pat Fish had you’re at the tail end of a party, sitting there smoking a spliff while the sun comes up and you’re listening to Victor’s record and you’re like, that’s the next record I want to make.

David J: I remember the track that was playing there so, so clearly, like it was last week and that was. It was one of these mad parties at Pat’s and Flat in Northampton, it was sunrise and everybody else passed out and it was just us 2 still awake.

JH: And that gave us one of the greatest records of all time, I told you this last time when I die, I want my ashes pressed into a record print of “Earth + Sun + Moon”. You know, that’s so that’s how much I love that record.

David J: I’m touched by that, Jeremy, “We” collectively “Love & Rockets” love that first Violent Fans album and we were playing it all the time when we were making the album Express John A Rivers, who was engineer Co-producer and John hated it, the benchmark was that Violet Femmes album. And so if John didn’t get that, then he’s not the man, to help us make this album. So then we, we, we contacted our original mentor, Derek Tompkins, who was the guy who had the studio in Wellingborough called Beck, where we recorded Bela Lugosi’s Dead and other tracks and we brought him out of retirement to do that one.

JH: I remember talking to you when you were here with Peter in what, 2019, I guess. And you and I were talking just talking about how much reggae there was in Bauhaus.

David J: Yeah, we used to go to the Africa Centre and that was a big like Rastafarian stronghold in the town centre. And we weren’t really the only white guys there, we were accepted and it was wonderful, they had sound systems, and guys toasting, they had a goat’s head soup in a big vat, and smoking ganja. It’s very rich, we owe a lot to the immigrants.

JH: It sounds like an amazing experience man, see growing up in Salt Lake, we didn’t have anything like that, we had one punk club where we could go and hear the punk stuff live, had a couple of dance clubs discos that we would go to and everybody like them, there was one that was all goth and they were always playing Bela Lugosi’s dead. So now we’re crossing streams here, OK, savior in the city.

David J: Ok

JH: I was raised Mormon here in Utah, and there’s a lot of religious imagery there applied to us today and how we would, you know, we would have seen it. “He looked up at the skyscrapers and down the scars on his feet. He bought a pair of cheap shoes from a street vendor. Brown canvas slip-ons” I mean the details here, then “When we walked through the crowds when it came to XXX porno spot he stopped and went inside, I followed an embarrassed apostle. He placed his hand on the door of each private Peep Show booth, and he blessed the occupants.”OK, Give me the story here, David.

David J: It’s just that I just had this vision, I was in the cab in New York City and I had, I don’t know, they just, it flashed into my consciousness. I had this vision of Christ in present times, which was at that time, it was the early 90s. And what? Brown canvas sandals, right? I’d let my imagination just go, you know, and you see, I’m not I, I don’t, I’m not Christian as search, but I, I’ve always had a, a deep kind of reverence of and, and love for the idea of Jesus and what, you know, in, in essence, the Christ represents and how heroic and how beautiful all of that is. And for him, you know, like standing up for the disenfranchised, the outcasts, the ones that, you know, the outcasts, outcasts from society. He would embrace them and see the beauty that’s there beyond, the surface upon which they are judged by society, you know, and all of that. I don’t know, it just still came, just bubbled up. And I just imagined it happening in New York City at that time.

JH: When I was in 9th grade, 14-15 years old, and everybody at school was talking about football games or wanting fast cars or what so and so was wearing in this $78 pair of jeans, etc. I was given an assignment in a class about Buddhism, to go and study, and write a big project about it. I read this book, the teachings of Buddha, and while I was putting this big poster together that was the first time I did a binge listen of “Express” and then “Earth+ Sun + Moon” while doing this whole Buddhist experience understanding it from a very different Christian perspective. That gave me this mind-expanding moment. But here you’ve got Jesus popping into the porno shop. I could see that Jesus is a very modern compassionate, nonjudgmental person.

David J: And then they’re walking through the crowds and then they come to a stop sign, and then I’m walking with him, went across, and then they scream and I’m walking across. And then I noticed that he’s gone, he’s stayed behind. So I looked around and he’s gone and there’s a dog that’s been run over and then in the distance a siren, wales. And then I say it was it was 3:00, which is when he was crucified.

JH: WOW!!!, ok David, just to have an hour to talk to one of my favorite guys like this is fantastic to just ask you these kinds of questions here. Macclesfield Sunday. One of my other fave bands at the top is all things Joy Division, and I rank you up there in my fave list with like JJ Brunell, Peter Hook, and Mick Conroy. But now I’m reading this, and we’re talking about Ian. And I’ve read 1000 books about it. The affair with Yannik, the Belgian attache, his epilepsy. Even Peter Hook talked about it a while ago, and they realized he was given way too much of his epilepsy medicine and that would have killed him anyway. I feel like everything I’ve read, there’s still a gap in there that nobody wants to talk about about Ian. Did you ever meet Ian Curtis?

David J: Yes, yeah, he came down to see Bauhaus play in London. We were playing at a club called Billy’s that later became the Bat Cave. We had a residency there. And he approached us after one of our sets and he said how much he loved the band and he had 2 records. We had two records at the time, “Bella Lugosi’s Dead” and “Dark Entries”, he said he plays them a lot and was just admiring of the band. And I remember looking into his eyes and he had these very, very vivid, like, blue eyes, and there was something, to me he looked like a St. something very sort of divine and also sad and otherworldly removed. Somehow there was part of him that wasn’t there, So that was my that was my only meeting with him. But then years later, there was going to be a movie made. This was before “Control” and it’s going to be again, loosely based on his wife’s book, “Touching from a Distance”. They wanted me to do the music for it, and as part of the sort of process, the director lent me all of Ian’s letters to Annik. I read them all and in one sitting I got to 1 of them and he’s talking about this moment gave me chills when he went down to London, he was telling her “I really love his Bauhaus. I’ve got both their records and I’m going to be recording our next album when they’re playing because I really want to catch them live.”

JH: Oh wow that was a that was the moment for you.

David J: It gave me chills reading that, then reading through the letters and he talks about Macclesfield on a Sunday, which is where he was living, and how depressing it was. And he talked about going down to the canal in his overcoat and it was raining and just sort of the atmosphere of that, you know, and all of that’s in there. And that’s really what inspired that, that poem. On a Macclesfield Sunday, the last letter, which is a very long letter to Annik, he’s talking about looking forward to going to America and he’s excited and all this, and my heroes coming from there, Iggy Pop and Stooges and Lou Reed and it’s just such an up exciting thing, you never think like reading that letter there a few weeks later, he killed himself. When Bauhaus was touring it in those days, I mean, we were aware of that situation because we worked with Annik, and she booked us in Belgium.

JH: I think that the band called her the Belgian bombshell, OK, she was an attractive woman, but yeah, there was something that she filled in his life that that he didn’t get. I’m not placing any blame on anybody, you’ve had more insight in having read all those letters. I would have considered that quite an honor.

David J: Absolute honor, yeah. It was such a privilege.

JH: Well, he was one of your peers, but I’ve grown up listening to both of you, neck and neck.

David J: Well, obviously you read all those letters and I was moved to write it, yes.

JH: The world hasn’t seen them, have they? I don’t think that it’s all been made public.

David J: I don’t think so, I recorded that piece on a Macclesfield Sunday as an extra track. It wasn’t on a record, it was just a download. And the music that I put to it was the little bit of music that I’ve done for this movie.

JH: It’s been fantastic, I hope we can get enough interest for people to go and get this poetry book. Well thank you so much, David , All the best.

DJ: Thank you, Be kind.

The full audio can be heard here. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GkHqdWQBPu2zccwmf6A0e

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Snow Patrol are a Scottish Irish band from Dundee Scotland, and other parts of Northern Ireland (that means they are confused about many things, but likely have a general disdain for the English government). They have been together as a band since the early 90s, then became “Snow Patrol” in 1997. Touring North America now, they bring 31 years of great music, and performances everywhere they go. (I know it’s 31 years cause the singer Gary Lightbody told us all during the set how long it’s been).

There is NOTHING short of amazing, every song, and the rich history has brought them to this wonderful moment.

Concert Review

Artist : Snow Patrol

Venue : The Union Events Center

City: Salt Lake City, UT

Supporting Act: Sorcha Richardson

The last time Snow Patrol played in Salt Lake was only a few years ago at and sold out “The Depot” ‘s 860 capacity. This time, they played “The Union” and it was sold out to the doors of 3000+ and it was no surprise. They have filled stadiums in Europe, so we are happy to have them here in a more “intimate” setting.

SORCHA RICHARDSON

Opening the show was the Irish female vocalist Sorcha Richardson, she had this groovy cool sound as if she were the young female version of Robyn Hitchcock, a great sound, and a very entertaining set. Her songs were all very different from each other, and you could still notice that, from an acoustic set. Something I was very impressed with, though she hasn’t released new material since 2002, she still was impressive enough for Snow Patrol to take her on tour with them, check her out, nuff said.

SNOW PATROL

An almost instant changeover the stage went dark and we waited through an intro, and then the screen behind them simply lit up with the title “Snow Patrol”, there was a heart then the words “Salt Lake City”. The band walked out on stage, Gary taking the center and saying ” Salt Lake City, Good evening!!”, and suddenly the backdrop looked like a row of Manhattan high rises, and they kicked off the set with “Take Back The City”. The entire band was rather animated with no one staying put at their “stations”, everyone in the band was playing only barely out of reach of their mics, just to get back in time to sing their lines. Everyone on stage was all smiles, and it was clear they were going to have a good time giving us their set, with Gary finishing the final measures a-Capella.

With the stage lit in all red, Gary picked up what looked like a telecaster, and they went into “Chocolate”. With all the charisma in the world, and not entirely being a great dancer with his guitar in hand, he asked for everyone to cheer on in the end “Whahoooooooaooooooo”, and we did it with him, just because he asked.

They played “Called Out In The Dark” with Gary holding the mic and pacing back and forth from the front to the back of the stage, slightly dancing and going up front to make eye contact with everyone. The guitar line sounded rather raw, and just as tight as the rest of the band, I enjoyed how the song sounded considerably different live, and still kept the spirit of the song. Gary once again invited the punters to sing along, not even holding the mic out to them to signal, he just said “Come on, let’s have it”, and we did it “We are listening, and we’re not blind”, almost as if he wanted us to sing it for THEM.

They played “ALL”, and then trying to kick off into “Crack the Shutters” there were a couple of false starts, with someone being out of key, or slightly off tempo. Gary stopped the song, and they had to muck about getting back in sync, then he apologized to the punters, saying “I promise this will be the last time, this will be the final attempt”. With a film of walking through a forest and the light coming through the trees behind them, they nailed it, everyone was in sync, and it finished without a hitch. It is with moments like this when you can see a band not take themselves seriously, have a hiccup, still laugh at themselves, and banter between themselves and the punters.

They played “Run” in a very somber mood, with the bassline leading the way for the rest of the band. Taking the mic Gary sang the opening to “The Beginning”, while the base drum was hitting hard keeping the tempo before the rest of the band came in filling in the paces, with a backdrop of a large spiral of brilliant colors, going from looking like a tunnel, to the “Zen” symbol turning, that made the whole song fit with the moment.

With the well-known piano line, we knew it was “The Lighting Strike” (What If This Storm Ends), the guitarist chimed in and stood off with Gary and his guitar looking like they were going to duel, and the backdrop was of a beautiful tree that began turning with each leaf a different color. Lighting was flashing and you could barely see the band, only silhouettes, then the guitarist took us down a very emotional solo that suddenly was as important as the singing and lyrics. This was all very moving, with the band no longer being the visuals to focus on. This part reminded me of how U2 would close the set of their “ZOO TV” tour, really making themselves insignificant against what was on the screen, almost forgetting that they were there. This was magnificent, and we were only halfway through the set.

They turned the tone down, and played a stripped down “Talking About Hope” with all of them singing together, it touched everyone there, like we just melted.

Not to say that this was the moment we were all waiting for (But yeah it was) Gary started playing the two simple chords with Connolly playing the individual notes, All this seems strange and untrue, and I won’t waste a minute, without you”. The bass and drums started to follow, and to pure perfection they went into “Tell me that you’ll open your eyes”. A powerful song about someone who has put so much into a relationship with a person, needing them to understand what has transpired after all this time, and to see that where they have been sitting is not at all where this friendship is or should be. One last attempt as someone that they love so much to see the beautiful reality that is out there, as Plato’s allegory of the cave, to “step out of this dark room for the last time” there were images from the galaxy probably the Hubble Telescope showing the expanses of the universe that is outside waiting for this person if they would “Just open their eyes”. Singing at the end, “I still love you, I always will, I love you still, I love you still” with all the devotion to this person, I do hope it was a happy ending, this song deserves it.

While we were all recovering from that, they played “Make This Go On Forever” and then “Shut Your Eyes”. They played “Heal Me” and then Gary told us all how much they had enjoyed playing for us, and that he couldn’t believe that they had been doing this for 31 years, with a different name to start with, but that none of them in the band ever thought they would still be here doing this so many years later. Hearing him say this was strange because that made them sound like an “old” band, like a classic rock band or something. They can’t be “old” I’ve only gotten into them over the last 15 years, they are still new, current, and happening.

Holding his guitar and starting with the simple two notes, Gary sang “We’ll do it all, everything on our own” The band played quietly behind, while everyone sang along “If I lay here, If I just lay here, and just forget the world” as the band built up on the drums getting louder as everyone was singing this one. It felt like it was OUR song this way. Then at the 2^nd chorus, they took it to new heights, as everyone was feeling this song, more than we were hearing it. A timeless song that everyone loved together, confirming the once “There is nothing more powerful than the shared experience”, this was proof of that.

He thanked us for singing with him, and said “Ok Salt Lake City, this is our last song tonight” and they played “You’re All I Have”, with the while venue dancing up and down feeling like we have successfully gotten all of our parts down for everyone to sing along to, this was a great way to finish out the first part of the set.

As they left the stage, I went up to the balcony to see how they would finish this set. After a few minutes of everyone cheering, they came back onstage and bantered with the audience again. Gary said “Ok, we got one more for you, ok, TWO actually. BUT this one, it’s like you still need to finish your vegetables before you get dessert, this is your vegetables, so sit down and eat them”, an unusual analogy from the stage, but we all laughed. With that, the band played “What If This Is All The Love You Ever Get?”. With a burning heart on the backdrop, it felt like a campfire sing-along, going soft to the parts right before he said “WHAT IF HURTS?” with everyone as quiet enough as to let a pin drop.

To great cheers, Gary said “Ok, now it’s time for dessert…. Because you’ve all been good”, we knew this one was on the docket, because it’s a fave of fans and theirs alike, and they closed out the evening with “Just Say Yes”.

Almost as quickly as it began, the Snow Patrol set was over. With a wonderful performance, this was probably the smallest venue on the tour (and it’s still pretty big), they sounded incredible, we only could have asked for a couple more songs, but this setlist was filled with enough for everyone who has been listening to them, no matter how long.

In the book “Exit Stage Left” (The Curious Afterlife of Pop Stars) Nick Duerden wrote an entire chapter about Snow Patrol, and how as they were climbing the ranks, with their sound, filling stadiums, and headlining Glastonbury, Gary had said he watched U2 closely, every move, how they handled themselves on stage, etc. He said he wanted to emulate what Bono was doing, but the truth is, there is already one Bono, and Gary doesn’t need to emulate what Bono has, he already has all he needs to grace the crowd, connect with them, and with his band, they can bring the house down on their terms, their way.

A Snow Patrol gig is something everyone who loves music should experience. Grab a gig when you can, this is the kind of gig you would tell your grandkids about.

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