Albie Mason (Scary Black) from Louisville KY is one of the most criminally underrated talents in modern goth. In addition to his visceral and dynamic gothgaze music, he is an accomplished visual artist with credits that include our own album cover for Amaranth Gothtimism. With this ambitious new project Albie Damned we enter a mythic fantasy of self-exploration complete with corresponding visuals in the style of Adventure Time. The music is such a drastic change showing the range of Albie’s talent. Track 2 Open World has an amazing 8 bit Bat Out Of Hell du wop feel that got it’s hooks in me early. The guitar work is full of complex phaser shoegaze adding depth of character to the cartoon vampire vocals. The beats here are simple and accessible, but the concepts and construction make raw emotional brilliance behind of mask of cartoon theme songs. The effect is quite staggering. I’m genuinely baffled I am one of 8 people who have bought it on bandcamp so far.
Track 4: Torch delves deeper into the dungeon. Adds some trip hop flavor and darker rasping Scary Black style vocals. These songs all feel like individual adventures with a loose connection. Track 6: Everynite is a dream of flying over the shadow realm, full of Andrew Eldrich swimming through a sky of glitter. Wicked guitar licks to accent the journey. Track 10 : I Can’t Dance pours on the sleaze and motion of a filthy mini boss. Loving the falsetto harmonies here to prop up the main villain.
I know Albie intended this as a side project to work through some things between Scary Black releases, I hope he comes back and gives this it’s due. Something beautiful, dark, with a veil of innocence that makes it vulnerable and true. I’d love to see a full compliment of the drawings to match up as music videos to the songs.
There is something special happening in darkscene music. This year I have been going to shows of new goth/post punk/darkwave bands and seeing them packed with young people who are embracing this subculture. Who are finding these themes and tones to make them their own. Twin Tribes, Actors, Vision Video, Then Comes Silence, Bootblacks, Male Tears, Leathers, Urban Heat, I Ya Toyah, touring the country telling folks it is good to be strange. This is the energy that is giving me hope. I have not been at my new goth pulpit as much as I like this year. As we pass the half way point of the year I will try and share what I have been listening to so far in 2024 that gives me hope for the future.
Dead Astronauts – Ghosts – The international synthwave group comprising Jared Kyle and Slade Templeton, has resurfaced with their highly anticipated 4th studio album, “Ghosts.” I love the experience and expertise on display for the art of songcraft. Each texture and shade are masterfully chosen. Honed with precision, displayed with technique. What truly makes them top tier is the narrative order, balance, and construction of every track.
Written and produced by Dead Astronauts Mixed and Mastered at Influx Studios Art and Design by JthreeConcepts
Mistakes: This track is deeply relatable. It has a beautiful Construction Time Again Depeche Mode bouncing beat with earnest reflection and buttery vocal delivery. A brief shimmering single that leaves you wanting more.
The Red Dress (feat. Florence Bullock): Beautiful city street flashing streetlamps streaking by at a furious pace. Wonderful vocal accents from A New York native, residing in Los Angeles, glitbiter, aka Florence Bullock. This track hugs the curves of a twisting road with a high performance engine. Perfect song to start an adventure to.
You try To survive Boy you’ve got clout You’ve got your knives out Trying to stay alive
Urban Heat – Seven Safe Places – The Austin TX band that has become an obsession for me. There is a special feeling when a band comes to a place beloved and familiar, but took an entirely different road to arrive. A punk rock vitality with soulful smooth edges and flawless technique. This was an April release single for the upcoming August album “The Tower”. Johnathan is one of the true distinctive voices in the modern darkscene. An energy and talent that would make any band shine. Combined in this trio powerhouse Urban Heat has distinguished themselves with the other A level artists of the next wave. This single has a Peter Hook lead guitar bassline that hugs every curve. The vocals are frantic and emotive. It’s a song built to gleam in the modern landscape. Become a true believer now and see Urban Heat out on tour, I assure you, the tickets will be more expensive and harder to find the next time around. Look for an interview with the band soon on youtube 🙂
Tears for ʇhe Dying – In the Shadow of the Midnight Sun – I first saw the amazing emotional tidal wave of Adria and Tears for The Dying at Southern Gothic in Athen’s Georgia and was enraptured by the emotional impact and reckless truth of dynamic songwriting. Deathrock is a genre that traces it’s roots back several decades, so finding visionary new ground is no easy task. With slithering sinister concepts and vocal ingenuity TFTD pays reverent homage to Christian Death and Specimen while inserting modern elements and broader concepts like “Dead Girl Dancing” a gorgeous synth laden apocalypse pop anthem that steps outside of the box. This is one of those amazing bands that every artist in the scene respects deeply even if you have never heard them. A true inner circle talent.
Favorite Track: Kaiju – Slow big and full of destruction as the name implies. I love this winding guitar and tempo shift that allows Adria’s cadence and Mick’s rolling percussion to make dynamic stories of trampling feat and terrifying beasts.
Special mention: Jolene (Dolly Parton Cover) – It takes a special performance to take one of the greatest ballads of all time and make it your own. Everyone needs to give this a spin.
THEN COMES SILENCE – Trickery – Recently I got the extreme privilege of opening for Swedish based band Then Comes Silence on tour with Vision Video. I had reviewed them before. This was one of those bands you truly can’t fully appreciate until you have seen them live. I have witnessed so many impressive performances in the last five years, I hope you take to heart when I say this is the tightest, most energetic band I have witnessed in recent memory.
I used to have a joke that Rush was the greatest group of compiled musicians who’s album I didn’t want to buy. Not being my style. In the modern darkscene I think Then Comes Silence is the greatest group of compiled musicians who’s album I very much want to buy. Part of the elegance of Trickery is how it doesn’t sound like they set out to make a great post punk album. The cohesion, passion, and construction present here would have fit any genre or style just as easily. It just happened to come in one of my favorite forms.
The album has a wide range of sounds, lots of thunderous rock bangers where Jonas tom punishing drum accents make TCS stand out in a field of bands leaning towards electronic drums. Slippery shadow disco club tracks like Feel The Cold create contrast and highlight Alex rich broad beam vocals. Songs like the collaboration with Dusty “Stay Strange” bring a horror punk mod feel that ride Hugo’s wall of sound guitars. Whatever the tone, it always seems to land.
I would be hard pressed to choose any song on this album as a top track, Never Change was definitely one that crept up on me. Stellar underlying harmonies, a crackling backbeat that always hits on the outside of the synths. This whole record has an underlying tone of hope, rising out of the mire of tough times. This track captures that feeling the hardest for me.
Alex Svenson – vocals, bass and synthezisers Jonas Fransson – drums Hugo Zombie – guitars
Additional musicians: Dusty Gannon (Vision Video) Emma Nylén (Emmon) Gözde Duzer (Aux Animaux) Jörgen Wall (Whale, Thåström, among others)
This is a 10/10 album in contention for top 10 records of 2024.
Eva X – Fiction – July 5th single from Electronic producer Gaby (Eva X). The single includes two remixes of the previous single Dopamine Blind by Sawtooth and Enter Face. Retro 80s pop with soul on the intro, fed into the grinder of metal tooth electro rock. Gaby’s voice keeps growing in confidence and glamour with every new release. This would pop at a mainstream club or goth/Industrial night.
Cemetery Sex – Leviathan – This is a young band generating an enormous amount of buzz from Washington DC. Artist that truly embrace the goth ethos of inclusion and counter culture pouring into the batcave of gothic roots. Anastasia has an undeniable presence in her words and delivery. The music is serpentine and hungry. To have young people with such an intrinsic understanding of the culture with both their music and mindset truly fills me with hope for the future. When Cemetary Sex burst onto the scene, they understood the assignment. Be ready to hear A LOT more about this band in the coming year.
PIG – Red Room – Raymond Watts has left an indelible stamp on the industrial scene for decades. One of the key reasons is his ability to find fresh untread ground with which to blend with industrial. Soul, funk, metal all are wound into spiritual inspiration to fortify the alloy of his art. Red Room took me to another place, late 70’s glam like Alice Cooper and TRex colliding pageantry, sensuality, and filthy grinding machines. A tight compact bullet that enters your brain before fragmenting into something larger and more explosive. Leaving you changed by the fragments left behind.
A rogues gallery of contributing artists, both old school and new class Alexis Mincolla (3Teeth), Chris Hall (Stabbing Westward), and the PIG Choir: Chris Connelly (Revco, Ministry etc), Emily Kavanaugh (Night Club), I Ya Toyah, Marc Heal (Cubanate) and Burton C Bell (Fear Factory), En Esch, Susannah Doyle, Anita Kyoda, Mark Alan Griffiths, Mike Watts, Jimmy Livingstone, and more!
This is an album best served live with sweat running down the walls. Catch them on tour with Curse Mackey, Unitcode:machine, Stoneburner, and more at a city near you. I’m going to both Coldwaves (Chicago) and Smalls (Detroit)
Favorite Tracks: Dirty Mercy – This opening is absolutely filthy.
ACTORS – Dead Inside – Vancouver based band Actors have been at the forefront of Nextwave Darkscene music since the start of the Rennaissance. This new single as a prelude to the tour of one of the top live music experiences of 2024 shows the group showing no signs of slowing down. The first time I heard it I was struck with Jason’s sultry whispering Jarvis Cocker vibes. of the cohesion and telepathy of one of the tightest acts of the modern era. The crisp brush crack drums Adam delivers use timing as art to build the tension. Shannon’s rippling cascade of dark water ripples. Kendall a forceful step on nimble feet. Every time I think, this is it, Actors have reached their peak, the journey continues up a mystical mountain.
MALE TEARS – Paradísco – La Based neosynth band Male Tears has filled me with hope for the future. There is nothing more beautiful than a group of young people discovering a fresh path to classic sounds. James and company went through a major lineup transition before the release of this EP and came out the other side with a hopeful passion. Soulful new depth and determination to find the beauty in the darkest reflections of life. Fans of Petshop Boys, and Duran Duran will find an homage to bright crystal sounds on the sonic spectrum that hold the truth of dark introspection. Great guest appearance on track two by our friends Corlyx. A beautiful harmony of James mournful beauty and Caitlin’s alien ethereal whisper. As well as track 3 “Sex On Drugs” a gorgeous and heart retching single that could have been the missing track off (Actually 1987) with features Caitlin (Corlyx), Azy Bats (Obscura Undead), and Ryan King (Witchhands). This is a modern day classic that stirs my heart with that same feeling of unburdened delivery. Male Tears is something special and memorable this scene needs to embrace with both arms. They are currently on their first major tour and I encourage everyone to be a part of this revolution on the ground floor.
Catch them in Detroit 10/1/24 at Small’s in Detroit with Crune and yours truly 🙂
Recently I got a little clip of Crowjane releasing a cover of “Real Life” by Tones on Tail. I have been a fan of Crowjane for a couple of years now, and this one caught me by surprise, (mostly cause I didn’t know they were recording anything, having just released an EP last year). I wrote a little piece about it, and it seems to have been enjoyed by all, even getting a nod from Daniel Ash who wrote it.
Crowjane is one of the darling bands of the wonderful “Kitten Robot” record label, a darkwave experimental rock band, that really can’t fit into any one genre.
Crowjane is as of today finishing up their brief stint of live shows around the West Coast, and The Rockies. I got to see them play in Salt Lake, after their 11-hour drive from Moscow, Idaho.
The story goes like this, I was notified of their scheduled gig at “The Utah International” in downtown Salt Lake City. I was scheduled to cover the gig and was notified that they were going to be late coming into town, so if I got any interview time, it would be brief, and they were not even going to get a sound check. I was at the venue and saw 3 other bands setting up, and no one knew where Crowjane was. I ended up at another venue on the other side of the block, asking the doorman if this was where they were playing, it turns out that the gig had been moved and no one had been given the update. I was hoping that other fans got the memo and made it to the right place, that it was in a backroom at an arcade. I know this place well because I used to DJ there in the 90s.
I got in a little interview here with Heather Galipo but had to cut it short because the opening band was taking the stage.
I was talking to the drummer Shok, only to realize that we had crossed paths probably 50 times over the last 30 years, and just conveniently reconnected here. (Really, almost to the level of being at the same parties in high school).
Once Crowjane took the stage, there was no soundcheck, and the sound guy was a jerk and turned Heather’s vocals down, and there was NO lighting in the house, just a back panel (after they finished, the next band had lights, REALLY?). There were 3 people in the audience for the opening band, and Heather invited everyone from the arcade to come in and listen to them play. In short, this entire night was a complete disaster. So, with Murphy’s law kicking in and everything turning out to be a “Spinal Tap” moment, or even “The Story Of Anvil” (Both classic movies about everything going wrong for a band on the road), and everything having gone bad so far, where are you going to go from there?
Well, here is how it went, THEY ABSOLUTELY KILLED IT!!!!
They opened with “Butterflies” and I was shocked at how they just blew us out of the water. They started with a small crowd, but this video should give you an idea of what we got.
The hall suddenly had people that I knew there, guys from the SWANS gig, and other shows, and there was a “Goth pit” (everyone pogo stick dancing). But what I thought was most impressive was the other punters who showed up. There were a couple of guys that you would have thought were “Gangsta Rap”, a couple of guys you would expect to see at a mud bog event, some Metalheads, and then some guys who were obviously college football players. While the goths were up front dancing, the rest of these punters started moshing. The entire experience was surreal, all of these people were fans, there to hear Crowjane play.
They worked through their set, with Mika a professional opera singer, giving backing vocals, while Heather, still sweating from 11 hours in the car in 100-degree heat, gave us a mix of Siouxsie Sioux, Peter Gabriel horror film soundtrack.
They played “Delusion” from the album “Mater Dolorosa”, which is a great album, with a great Laurie Anderson feel to it. (This was the song that made me fall in love with their music). They got to “Ides of March” which was a mix of Siouxsie and Missing Persons, with all 4 women’s powerful voices giving the chorus. The singing is reminiscent of Jane’s Addiction, however, the vocals of Heather and crew are harmonic and very beautiful.
My fave song of the night was “Nomad”, which I have always liked, but I was surprised at how well they did it live, with the haunting vocals, and almost a choral arrangement made for a film. Heather works in film, and this was nothing short of extraordinary, a song I would have enjoyed in “The Crow” or even “Suckerpunch”. All of this while the weirdest, most diverse mosh pit was still happening.
They did “Broken Angel” to slow everything down, and the performance was no less haunting, with Mika chanting on top of the vocals that somehow would have fit perfectly in a bar scene in Twin Peaks.
They finished off with “Real Life”, tying up a short set, that they had no time to prepare for. It was incredible, they really delivered a great performance. When a band can be up against so much, seem destined for an absolute failure that night, Crowjane have a penchant for burying your expectations.
Crowjane has a few live sets planned for some more festivals this summer, their live shows are eclectic and very artistic, they have a great stage presence, and even with the sound gone bad, they will keep your attention with some wonderful performances.
Next show July 29 Long Beach, CA Supply and Demand
BRIDES – Doom Profits – Adrian has been levelling up at an exponential rate. This EP has been in my heavy rotation for a couple months now filling my need for grimy painted on leather pants classic goth. He has zeroed on a course vocal style right on the mean ratio between a blended instrument and poetic delivery system. Previous Brides offerings have tended towards a theme of sound. Doom Profits flings wide the door to a range of possibilities within the project. Using that distinct voice as an anchor to tie this gently drifting ghost ship together from Ultravox to New Order Movement.
Watering flowers in the bowels of Hell With painted tears Smokestack serpents coil around us Can`t see the forrest for the fire And the waves come crashing through Burning hands applaud the wreckage on
Suffer little children Sell your fear for doom profits
Favorite Tracks:
Heartquake: This is a record it is difficult to pick a favorite on. Each song hits you in a different place. This opening bassline is an obsidian boulder chasing you down the mountain. The synth leads are the exact amount of brass to shine in all this darkness. That title and idea evoke such an image. A heart shaking with profound trauma. So much it rocks the ground around you.
Doom Profits: A title track should always been a strong one. The backbone of your idea. Adrian read the assignment. That keyboard tone of water dripping from a stalactite into a dark pool. I have that same feeling when Goodbye Horses comes on. Profits come to harken the masses of a terrifying destiny. Adrian growls forth a frightening warning, as well as a promised hope. I adore the outro guitar lead. Using the theme of other tracks in a single moment the title track shows the complexity and growth on this record.
Year two of Small’s in Hamtramck’s Fixation Festival happened this past weekend. For the second year in a row Mike Mouyianis and Kat Paled put together an epic bill of legacy/modern darkscene talent both locally and around the country. This city has always celebrated a rich musical culture from Motown, Iggy Pop, The MC 5, techno’s holy trinity, ADULT, along with a slew of new talent in the current wave. Small’s cares about and celebrates artists, while running a tight ship that respects fan’s time. The venue is intimate with a great sound system and professional technician that knows how to communicate and bring out the best in the wide variety of acts. Having the stage and merch in one room, another with the bar for cooler temps, quick service, and a large video screen showing the stage at a volume you can talk over makes for a best of both worlds. Sometimes you want to be right in the action. Sometimes you want to share a moment with friends, making a personal connection with the bands. It has the Cold Waves “goth summer camp” vibe with a smaller more relaxed venue.
I’m going to fire off some quick impressions from of all the bands. Some that are long time favorites, some I saw for the first time. I’ll also include photos from the amazingly talented Jen Jeffery who really captured highlight moments from both nights.
Helix – Starting out Friday night strong was the married duo of Mari Shear (Day Twelve, Mari & The Ghost) and Tom Shear (Assemblage 23) firing off blistering electropop with Mari’s powerful, smokey delivery. Her stage show was captivating and serpentine. A beautiful way to set the tone for everything to come.
Rosegarden Funeral Party – Next up was Dallas TX dark rockers Rosegarden Funeral Party who I had previously reviewed for albums and singles. I had never seen them live, this became my favorite surprise of the weekend. Sometimes you really need to see the live show to get a full appreciation of a band. Leah was this glorious guitar sheading silver beam of light belting out lyrics with breath support to do Aretha Franklin proud. Thunderous live drums really his home the organic dark rock roots to give the impression of a wailing full band with only two people. I became an instant fan for life, can’t wait to dig into the new album “From The Ashes” available on bandcamp now.
ego likeness – I remember looking over to Collin right after Leah absolutely obliterated that stage and saying “I feel bad for whoever has to sing after her”. Then I saw it was Donna and went, never mind it’s Donna, she will be fine. With everything Donna and Steven have going (Poetry, Painting, Stoneburner, Audiobooks) sometimes it feels like Ego Likeness shows are a rare and glorious treat. Rick and Mike were here on stage to give the full experience of powerful percussion, wet crunching swamp riffs, and luring siren vocals. There is a reason Ego Likeness has stood the test of time between goth resurgences. Another call out from this performance, you can always tell a special band by how they react when something goes wrong. Tech issues happen, you can either let it under your skin, and lose focus. Or you can let the audience feel like they are a part of the inner circle, pop forward, and hit a higher level than you were when something went wrong. This is what the greats do.
Bootblacks – This was my second time seeing the reinvented suave dark Italian disco Bootblacks sound and they have dialed it all the way in. I’ve seen a trend of bands moving towards this sound, but I think Bootblacks were the first American’s to the peak. The new single “When You Want” highlights the power of pacing change to create constant movement. Panther’s vocals have never felt more present and sensual. This performance had the whole crowd sweating both physically and metaphorically.
Assemblage 23 – Tom Shear coming back to the stage for a second performance in one night. This marked another band I have listened to frequently but had never seen perform live. FuturePop fell in that middle place where I had given up on new music and got to re-discover recently. Hearing a top tier male vocalist delivering such crystal clarity free of effects is a powerful experience. Sometimes poetic lyrics feel a bit of an afterthought in the modern era. So hearing heartfelt emotive words delivered with a beautiful voice really stands out. I really need to see Tom play again when he is the focus of the night. Tom did promise to do an interview with me soon, so be on the lookout for that.
Night Club – I understand that some traditional goth fans don’t really want to embrace the darkpop cross over in the modern scene. I’m not one of them. Night Club was another band I had only reviewed albums of. On stage, they absolutely brought the house down. Sassy, dangerous, with pristine production, setting the stage for Emily’s undeniable star power. I know it when I see it, Night Club is dripping with it. What a way to close out an epic night one. Another of those bands I implore everyone to catch at an intimate venue like Small’s now. It’s won’t be long before main stream audiences catch on.
Adding this selfie of Amaranth/Stoneburner/Black Rose Burning who will be playing together August 17th in Lancaster PA. An incredible night 1 where we Uber’d back to our Air B & B to crush previously acquired late night food which turned out to be some of the best Thai cuisine I have ever had.
The Love Part – George Grant (Black Rose Burning) once impressed upon me the importance of festivals including some local flavor in the mix. Night two is where Fixation let some Detroit talent shine. My partner Rachel has exceptional taste in music, so when she came running and dragged me to the stage (something she never does) to hear The Love Part I knew I was in for something wonderful. Swelling psychedlicgaze pastel ectoplasm with great charisma from the singer spinning Curesque romantic energy. I spoke with them a bit after and this was an early show for them. I think this project has a high ceiling. I love that Small’s took a chance on them, I love that they delivered in a big way.
Access To Concrete – Another Detroit band that was my highlight surprise of night two. The Stringer brothers put together a full experience multimedia performance that took the best parts of Devo and Front 242 synthesized into chaotic SciFi sonic assault. They had multiple guest vocalists including Steph Strange (Schedule IV) in Nuruto/Tank Girl cosplay and Industrial Alice In Chains. It was fun, it was fury, it left me hungry for more.
LEATHERS – This was another showstopper highlight. The evolution of Shannon to ultrastar status has been a pleasure to behold. Having to do two sets in a night at this level of energy and precision is a feat within itself. This performance was a shooting star sparkling across the stage. Captivating and razor sleek Leather’s brings an otherworldly late 70’s glam energy that leaves you feeling how am I seeing this? It’s too bright, too beautiful to exist on this mortal realm. Last night they played Cruel World Fest on a stage with Duran Duran/Ministry/ect and I can’t help but feel like a dream realized for Shannon is hope for us all.
The Bellwether Syndicate – Chicago darkscene legends that always rock Detroit like they have something to prove. William Faith (Faith and the Muse, Christian Death, Mephisto Walz, Shadow Project, The March Violets) throws the best rock star looks in the biz. Sara Rose and Philly have enough musical pedigree to fill 10 bands. They really create a mythical beast with gnashing punk rock teeth, a long slender synthpop neck, and expansive sharp post punk wings. Moving together in perfect harmony. It always feels like a complete experience, a big deal, every time they play. Vestige & Vigil is such a good album, I had to buy it twice on LP.
ACTORS – How do they do it? How does a band I feel objectively plays one of the best live shows rather in a 300 person capacity club or a festival consistently raise the bar to amaze me? The sound is so sharp, crackling with spirit, engaging the crowd every night until we all leave feeling a part of something special. Some might think I sound crazy saying this, but in 6 short years since “It Will Come To You” Jason’s voice is reaching towards the discussion of all-time greats like Ian McCulloch, David Gahan level of impact. Actors might not have compiled that size of discography yet, but they are climbing towards it at a rate few others in the modern scene can keep pace with.
Also it is the love they show for their fans everywhere. After absolutely demolishing the crowd. Most of the band playing two sets that night. They must have been exhausted. I truly don’t expect folks to have the time and spoons to say hi to every reviewer. So Jason reaching out to have me come to the back for a headlight selfie and to say hello meant a lot. Actors aren’t just a band for a lot of us. They are a movement you are a part of.
Stabbing Westward – I have seen Stabbing Westward several times. 16 year old Ken alone in his bedroom, eyeliner streaking down his face because some girl broke his heart and only Chris Hall could understand. I have never seen SW play 8 feet away from me for 90 minutes spanning their entire catalog in a room of rabid fans. The fact that 1) they took a show in a smaller room to do this festival 2) They brought the energy of 20 year olds for and hour and a half while walking through the crowd and meeting everyone catching the other bands. To have a band with as much impact as they did on me be that down to earth and considerate is such a glorious icing on a face melting show of a cake.
I even managed to keep my cool when I went to introduce myself to Walter, who said “Yes Ken, I know who you are, nice to meet you”. We talked about the modern scene, how much he loved Actors, and how much he still enjoyed doing this. I feel like I maintained my pretend journalistic integrity the whole time my brain went SQUEEEEEEEEEE IM TALKING TO WALTER FLAKUS!!!. Hopefully I will have an interview with them soon and won’t sweat to much while I ask the questions. Overall it was the perfect cap to a perfect night.
Another smashing success in year two establishes that Small’s has built something here. That top talent is recognized and travel out of their way to play with like minds. My head is already spinning with the possibilities of who will be there next year. Detroit is a fun an economical alternative to some of the other big destination festivals. A beautiful diverse setting full of unique cuisine and friendly people looking out for each other. If you have heard mutterings to the contrary, my guess is you are talking to people who saw Detroit in a movie. Not folks who have spent time here. I’ll see you in 2025.
